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I don’t hate men who were born men and feel male. I don’t think they should be spending their time thinking how lucky they are compared to me or telling me how brave I am.

The best thing these people who’ve never heard of me can do for me is keep living their lives without any thought to whether they’re ‘wasting’ their ‘privileged’ status because they don’t campaign for queer awarenesss, spend time consciously loving their cisgenderedness, etc.

(Basically, putting aside the gender thing I chose as an example, what I’m trying to say is: if I was a starving child in China, I’m sure I wouldn’t give a flying frell whether a Western child ate up her carrots.)

edit: I expand upon this rant in my LJ comments.

View the original post at HellHound.net

Comments

[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 11:17 pm (UTC)
I have heard it said numerous times that straight white males have the power. I find no particular fault in this assessment of the world. My problem is as follows: What number do I ring to get my share?
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 07:43 am (UTC)
Grasshopper, the ruling elite are men. Men are not the ruling elite. ;)
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 09:14 am (UTC)
Exactly.

So I'm not going to be advocating, say, gay rights any time soon because it's the noblesse oblige thing to do and I'm the Great White Hunter, compelled by my sinful existence to go ahead and make patronising token proclamations about the need for more Political Correctness. Guilting me into shit won't work. Rather, I'll be supporting them, for instance, because I'm in broad agreement with this huge batch of specific political ideas. (And because I'm apparently the Anti-Christ, but that's neither here or there.)

Thing is, though, that I've been told that any attempt to be in broad political agreement with gay rights/racial equality/equal pay for women/whatever is doomed to be false and shallow because, in fact, I am the Great White Hunter and intrinsically represent the enemy. Now, that is true to the degree that I do not have the deep personal experience of being a part of a angry oppressed minority. I sure as hell haven't been raised in a shtetl. But the implication that I can't think through stuff and come to the same conclusions as other people in other arbitrary categories based on the fact that it's not in my presumed social self-interest to do so is just a tiny bit insulting. Not to mention it's not smart.

(I do give each person the right to pick who they want to picket with, though. Maybe it turns out Ti-Grace is right and all the genders really are engaged in an epic battle to the death.)
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 10:57 am (UTC)
Damn exactly. It's your damn choice. Guilt is for Catholics and damn idiots.
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 12:13 pm (UTC)
The lowest form of guilt would have to be fake guilt, the kind that works as a kind of a self-righteous social affectation: There's a school of Political Correctness out there, I think, to which "accept people for who they are" turns out to mean "nod at people sagely and life-affirmingly, as if you were proud that they can count to three by themselves."

I mean, for God's sake, if guilt wasn't bad enough, that's not even real guilt, that's just being a jerk.
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 12:21 pm (UTC)
I also meant to pick out and agree with your point about "you can't care about it because you can't FULLY understand what it's like to be a bat".

Just as nobody's going to tell me who I must feel kinship with (any Joe Bloggs may well have more in common with other asexuals/whatevers than I have, and nobody's signing me up to any cause on my behalf), nobody's going to tell me to keep my hands off the multiples/whateverelses either. Yes I'm not one, but since actually being a whateverelse would still be no guarantee that I'd understand the other whateverelses, tough shite to the isolationists, who are just going to have to accept the idea of diversity.
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:00 pm (UTC)
... actually being a whateverelse would still be no guarantee that I'd understand the other whateverelses, tough shite to the isolationists, who are just going to have to accept the idea of diversity.

Exactly. Getting together for whatever reason is nice, but there's something about (hostile) isolationism that's awkward if you want to go around affecting things. Few people anywhere like to pigeon-hole themselves based on one thing, anyway, and in general work differently enough, so ultimately it'll boil down to me against the world. And I start reading Camus or something like that.

Being or having been the social underdog, particularly in a country with deep scars like America, can be a kind of a point of pride. Nothing's wrong with that. Looking at oppression, no matter how real and concrete, as an epic battle for moral high ground is a bad platform for making changes to society. It leads to the kind of absolute confrontationalism which doomed radical feminism. Let's say, for instance,that I'm a black Cherokee transsexual lesbian otherkin vampire pagan Räelist Arab. With no legs. And MPD. What do I win? Are there prizes? But more importantly: Do I need to cull everyone who isn't me from my political posse?
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:14 pm (UTC)
Best-Man needs nobody. Best-Man works alone.

Except, obviously, for Best-Boy, Best-Butler, the Best-Mobile, the Best-Mansion and all the employees of Best-Corp who provide him with the income and independence to go Besting around the place like a big woofter every evening.
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
"Quickly! To the Best-Pub!"
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:25 pm (UTC)
But there might be people there!
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
But: Brooding in the corner, gazing into distance and letting a single perfect tear drop into your coffee (from the left eye only). How else would anyone know the Mascara of Life is running?
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
You mean that annoying theological truth that one cannot be antisocial alone?
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2006 11:21 am (UTC)
Yes, but on the other hand, it's come to my attention that Marlon Brando was antisocial and he so obviously thought he was the only real person in existence.
[info]songdogmi wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 03:32 pm (UTC)
Best-Man became a Goth? *headspins*

Granted, that might be the only sane response to this world...

(Pardon the interruption. ;-)
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 04:20 pm (UTC)
Maybe after Best-Boy leaves and starts calling himself Night-Win (geek fact: pre-Crisis he called himself Win-Man!), Best-Man gets so lonely with nobody to criticise his hiccups that he starts dressing all in black and looking punk-ass miserable all th...

Hang on a minute, maybe he WAS a goth all along...
[info]zenicurean wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2006 11:20 am (UTC)
It's all angst from only ever being able to grow up into Second-Best-Man! And I'm sure the rest is just residue from Alan Moore hovering over superherodom like the Ghost of Christmas Future.

Not that gawth ain't cool, mind you. Don't mess with the gawth.
[info]charlycrash wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 11:46 pm (UTC)
But why?

With any of these things, it's about society moving forwards, and society obviously includes everyone. It's kinda silly otheriwse. It's like the occasional radical feminist who thinks society can be changed without the help of men; it's not that men are any more capable of doing so, it's just forcing anything like that is kind of weird and wrong and possibly counterproductive.
[info]hellmutt wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 07:39 am (UTC)
Well, I don't want anyone telling me what changes I must want to see (or make happen) in society. More relevantly, I don't want any of my demographics being used to make people feel guilty in an entirely trivial way.

Poverty is bad; making a single Tyneside child feel guilty for not being hungry for her veg, using the entire Chinese subcontinent (about which the parent probably knows nothing) as a bludgeon, is not only a non-sequitur, it's stunningly insulting. If the parent really gave a shit, they'd be telling their child about world hunger in a setting other than "I want you to feel guilty so you will do this for me". (These Chinese children disappear when mummy/daddy wants a new car/frock; "that's not the same".) Possibly even putting their money where their mouth is.

But, back to the thing that sparked the entry above: "You should all put yourselves in an attitude of prayer, don sackcloth and feel jolly guilty about enjoying this thing you were born with because I wasn't". If I'm going to maintain that I can't help having been born slightly skew-wiff to the rest of society, how on earth can I launch a grudge against other people who happened to be born closer to the normal range?

And why should I expect them to know and care about me? If I meet one and the subject comes up, it doesn't do me any harm to have to explain myself. I'm not 'entitled' to understanding, sympathy or to be thought of as a brave soul (phbleech) just because of an accident of genetics. And, dammit, I'm not insecure enough to grab people and shriek "I'm here, I'm (whatever), I'm really trying to induce you to say something insensitive about it so I can feel superior!"

So basically, ignorance isn't a crime. Ignorance and innocent prejudice are something to be lifted gradually by positive example, not by cruising in on the "you should feel bad" or "you should listen to my personal details whether or not you're interested" angle.